Comments for dasflash http://dasflash.com Flex, AIR & the Flux of Flash Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:11:20 -0500 hourly 1 Comment on We don’t need Flash on the iPad, we need better tools to build HTML5 sites by Wim Duivendrecht http://dasflash.com/2010/01/we-dont-need-flash-on-the-ipad-we-need-better-tools-to-build-html5-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-65 Wim Duivendrecht Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:11:20 +0000 http://dasflash.com/?p=150#comment-65 Your remark that flash needs to many system resources is not entirely correct. For one thing: Mac OS X does not (yet) provide direct access to the video card/gpu, and that's why the flash player on the mac uses so much CPU. Flash player 10.1 promises to fix a lot of these mac os x cpu problems. But more importantly: a full-fledged application with many running processes and complex interactions cannot be compared to a static text-based web page. Of course the application will use more CPU! When HTML5 becomes more capable of building real applications, you will see the same increase in CPU usage. I even read somewhere that HTML5+javascript+CSS3 actually needs MORE cpu to accomplish the same functions as flash. Another problem with the increasing complexity of HTML5+Javascript+CSS3 is the wild variety of standards, and the lack of a real application development environment. As long as you're building static text pages this isn't a big problem, but when you build a complex app in html, the code really becomes quite inaccessible. Your remark that flash needs to many system resources is not entirely correct.

For one thing: Mac OS X does not (yet) provide direct access to the video card/gpu, and that’s why the flash player on the mac uses so much CPU. Flash player 10.1 promises to fix a lot of these mac os x cpu problems.

But more importantly: a full-fledged application with many running processes and complex interactions cannot be compared to a static text-based web page. Of course the application will use more CPU!

When HTML5 becomes more capable of building real applications, you will see the same increase in CPU usage. I even read somewhere that HTML5+javascript+CSS3 actually needs MORE cpu to accomplish the same functions as flash.

Another problem with the increasing complexity of HTML5+Javascript+CSS3 is the wild variety of standards, and the lack of a real application development environment.
As long as you’re building static text pages this isn’t a big problem, but when you build a complex app in html, the code really becomes quite inaccessible.

]]> Comment on We don’t need Flash on the iPad, we need better tools to build HTML5 sites by Joseph Silverman http://dasflash.com/2010/01/we-dont-need-flash-on-the-ipad-we-need-better-tools-to-build-html5-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-62 Joseph Silverman Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:46:39 +0000 http://dasflash.com/?p=150#comment-62 There are TOO tools for doing the kinda of things you do in flash in dhtml. Check out http://www.openlaszlo.org/ . This includes animation, complex GUI interaction, etc.. Though we don't suggest you do so, my company's flagship producs, webtop, written in openlaszlo, works pretty well on the iphone - albeit SLOW and not particularly well optimized for use on that platform. There are TOO tools for doing the kinda of things you do in flash in dhtml. Check out http://www.openlaszlo.org/ . This includes animation, complex GUI interaction, etc.. Though we don’t suggest you do so, my company’s flagship producs, webtop, written in openlaszlo, works pretty well on the iphone – albeit SLOW and not particularly well optimized for use on that platform.

]]> Comment on New Tutorial and Updates for the SoundCloud AS3 API by andre http://dasflash.com/2010/02/new-tutorial-and-updates-for-the-soundcloud-as3-api/comment-page-1/#comment-45 andre Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:39:03 +0000 http://dasflash.com/?p=125#comment-45 Wicked! i will plug this into my site as soon as ive got a day off ++ Wicked! i will plug this into my site as soon as ive got a day off ++

]]> Comment on We don’t need Flash on the iPad, we need better tools to build HTML5 sites by a work on process » Weekend Links http://dasflash.com/2010/01/we-dont-need-flash-on-the-ipad-we-need-better-tools-to-build-html5-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-44 a work on process » Weekend Links Sun, 07 Feb 2010 20:40:58 +0000 http://dasflash.com/?p=150#comment-44 [...] ongoing debate about flash. It’s good to see a number of voices (such as Jeffrey Zeldman and Dorian Ray) pointing out that Adobe are well positioned to build tools to help with HTML5 adoption. That would [...] [...] ongoing debate about flash. It’s good to see a number of voices (such as Jeffrey Zeldman and Dorian Ray) pointing out that Adobe are well positioned to build tools to help with HTML5 adoption. That would [...]

]]> Comment on We don’t need Flash on the iPad, we need better tools to build HTML5 sites by SitePoint Podcast #47: Checkmate Apple http://dasflash.com/2010/01/we-dont-need-flash-on-the-ipad-we-need-better-tools-to-build-html5-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-43 SitePoint Podcast #47: Checkmate Apple Fri, 05 Feb 2010 07:36:47 +0000 http://dasflash.com/?p=150#comment-43 [...] We don’t need Flash on the iPad, we need better tools to build HTML5 sites (dasflash) [...] [...] We don’t need Flash on the iPad, we need better tools to build HTML5 sites (dasflash) [...]

]]> Comment on We don’t need Flash on the iPad, we need better tools to build HTML5 sites by Dorian http://dasflash.com/2010/01/we-dont-need-flash-on-the-ipad-we-need-better-tools-to-build-html5-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-42 Dorian Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:00:21 +0000 http://dasflash.com/?p=150#comment-42 @Dan You're right, HTML5 sites can also burn your CPU and there will always be programmers who try to max out your CPU. And I think trying to push the limits is a good thing, too! I just believe that for most everyday web apps like video, charts etc. there will be a performance advantage with HTML5 pretty soon. One reason is that HTML/JavaScript doesn't run within a sandbox in the browser and the browser can manage the system resources needed by HTML apps far more efficiently (I just say web workers). Another reason is the strong competition between the browser manufacturers. It has led to absolutely amazing performance improvements since Google has started to build apps like Docs and Maps. I'm convinced that Apple, Google, Mozilla (and maybe even MS) won't stop to push the JavaScript performance before web apps are on par with their desktop counterparts. And I'm afraid that Flash will not benefit from this at all. @Dan
You’re right, HTML5 sites can also burn your CPU and there will always be programmers who try to max out your CPU. And I think trying to push the limits is a good thing, too!

I just believe that for most everyday web apps like video, charts etc. there will be a performance advantage with HTML5 pretty soon. One reason is that HTML/JavaScript doesn’t run within a sandbox in the browser and the browser can manage the system resources needed by HTML apps far more efficiently (I just say web workers). Another reason is the strong competition between the browser manufacturers. It has led to absolutely amazing performance improvements since Google has started to build apps like Docs and Maps. I’m convinced that Apple, Google, Mozilla (and maybe even MS) won’t stop to push the JavaScript performance before web apps are on par with their desktop counterparts.

And I’m afraid that Flash will not benefit from this at all.

]]> Comment on We don’t need Flash on the iPad, we need better tools to build HTML5 sites by links for 2010-02-02 « innovations in higher education http://dasflash.com/2010/01/we-dont-need-flash-on-the-ipad-we-need-better-tools-to-build-html5-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-41 links for 2010-02-02 « innovations in higher education Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:09:15 +0000 http://dasflash.com/?p=150#comment-41 [...] We don’t need Flash on the iPad, we need better tools to build HTML5 sites (tags: web browsers standards javascript html5 flash adobe) Twitter Updates [...] [...] We don’t need Flash on the iPad, we need better tools to build HTML5 sites (tags: web browsers standards javascript html5 flash adobe) Twitter Updates [...]

]]> Comment on We don’t need Flash on the iPad, we need better tools to build HTML5 sites by Dan http://dasflash.com/2010/01/we-dont-need-flash-on-the-ipad-we-need-better-tools-to-build-html5-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-40 Dan Wed, 03 Feb 2010 02:40:33 +0000 http://dasflash.com/?p=150#comment-40 > CPU usage There'll always be sites pushing the limits, using a lot of resources. That won't change with HTML5. I'm afraid it's a popular myth that HTML5 has a better performance than Flash - just watch your CPU usage on some demo sites. There was a very nice HTML5 demo winning an FWA recently - 100 particles ... using about 50% of my CPU. Using Flash instead would bring that down to 0%. But every Flash dev would then go for 10000 particles, again burning your CPU. Dunno.. getting rid of all gimmicks and effects might make batteries last longer, but wouldn't life be a bit boring then? ;-) >don’t use Flash only because you can Wholeheartedly agree to this one though! Cheers, Dan > CPU usage
There’ll always be sites pushing the limits, using a lot of resources. That won’t change with HTML5. I’m afraid it’s a popular myth that HTML5 has a better performance than Flash – just watch your CPU usage on some demo sites.
There was a very nice HTML5 demo winning an FWA recently – 100 particles … using about 50% of my CPU. Using Flash instead would bring that down to 0%.
But every Flash dev would then go for 10000 particles, again burning your CPU.

Dunno.. getting rid of all gimmicks and effects might make batteries last longer, but wouldn’t life be a bit boring then? ;-)

>don’t use Flash only because you can

Wholeheartedly agree to this one though!

Cheers, Dan

]]> Comment on We don’t need Flash on the iPad, we need better tools to build HTML5 sites by Nick Pettit http://dasflash.com/2010/01/we-dont-need-flash-on-the-ipad-we-need-better-tools-to-build-html5-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-37 Nick Pettit Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:18:36 +0000 http://dasflash.com/?p=150#comment-37 Great post, I totally agree. The tools for creating HTML5 sites aren't that great right now, but hopefully as the iPad and iPhone get into the hands of more people, developers will come up with better solutions. I think it also has a lot to do with education and documentation. A lot of the features of mobile Safari and even HTML5 aren't well documented in a lot of places yet. Lastly, I can understand why people are upset about there not being Flash on the iPad, but I think that's just because they don't understand how capable mobile Safari really is. For example: <a href="http://doctype.tv/mobile" rel="nofollow">http://doctype.tv/mobile</a> [video] Great post, I totally agree. The tools for creating HTML5 sites aren’t that great right now, but hopefully as the iPad and iPhone get into the hands of more people, developers will come up with better solutions.

I think it also has a lot to do with education and documentation. A lot of the features of mobile Safari and even HTML5 aren’t well documented in a lot of places yet.

Lastly, I can understand why people are upset about there not being Flash on the iPad, but I think that’s just because they don’t understand how capable mobile Safari really is. For example: http://doctype.tv/mobile [video]

]]> Comment on Updates to the SoundCloud AS3 API by Dorian http://dasflash.com/2009/09/updates-to-the-soundcloud-as3-api/comment-page-1/#comment-36 Dorian Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:34:35 +0000 http://dasflash.com/?p=85#comment-36 Hi Praveen, github is having some trouble generating the ZIP files lately. I have uploaded the current sources to the download section so you can grab them there: http://github.com/dasflash/Soundcloud-AS3-API/downloads Regarding the link to the uploaded file: you can retrieve it from the response body of the upload, I think it is in a property named "permalink-url" Hi Praveen, github is having some trouble generating the ZIP files lately. I have uploaded the current sources to the download section so you can grab them there:
http://github.com/dasflash/Soundcloud-AS3-API/downloads

Regarding the link to the uploaded file: you can retrieve it from the response body of the upload, I think it is in a property named “permalink-url”

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